By Tré Berry III & Jon Uddin | 07/22/2021
Project Combat Authors Jon and Tré put the microscope on the epic Charlo/Castaño Undisputed match that wasn’t…what we seen in the fight, what to expect when (or if) there is a next time, and what this all means for the often talked out, mythical ⚓Top-10 P4P picture. We will also discuss Rolando Romero, some glaring traits that is making its way around the boxing world, and what he represents.
WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE CHARLO VS. CASTAÑO AFTERMATH, AND WHAT TO EXPECT IN A POTENTIAL REMATCH
JON UDDIN – Fans that had been looking forward to the showdown between Jermell Charlo and Brian Castaño to determine undisputed supremacy at the 154 pound division were treated to an entertaining fight Saturday night.
Unfortunately, as is all too common in the sport we love, the fight was overshadowed by dumbfounding scoring by a ringside judge, this time being Nelson Vasquez who inexplicably scored the fight 📝117-111 in favor of Charlo.
Full disclosure, I scored the bout 117-111 in favor of Castaño (which may be met with side eye looks as well) while you had it a draw. Even with such a good fight, and controversial scores, many are saying they don’t want this one ran back. Do you want to see a rematch, and if so who do you tip the edge to?
TRE BERRY III – I will start off by saying that this was a great fight, and anyone that doesn’t want to see this one ran back for a re-match, should be questioned about their love for the sport, regardless of what they feel about the scoring, in any favor that they’ve seen it, as they would rather miss out on a potential classic, due to their dislikes of scoring.
Throughout boxing history (and especially these days), we get results that some of us don’t like, but official verdicts should not overrule what you personally viewed in a fight, as long as those viewing it can grade it through an honest lens, and has an understanding of the sport, and scoring to have those backdrops to stick to when standing by their decision.
I personally had the fight scored a 📝114-114 draw, and without going through specific details, Castaño clearly had the technical edge, yet Charlo clearly had the edge in landing effective power shots that visibly had Castaño hurt and wobbled on several occasions, something that I had to note in my scoring, which evened it out for me in the grand sense.
Per what I just said, if they gave it to Charlo or Castaño in a decision, I would stick to me viewing the fight as a draw, and I don’t put heavy importance on Judges and their verdicts, even when they get it right. The only problem I have with them is the terrible score by 📝Nelson Vazquez of 117-111 for Charlo.
Sadly though, getting one scorecard like that is predictable, as it shows up in at least 90% of major fights, and the public isn’t stupid. They know something corrupt is going on there, it’s just that there are no checks & balances in power to reprimand those judges who take up that position to muck up the scoring, unless they’re caught red-handed, and even there I’d expect nothing in terms of punishment, or accountability.
Now, as far as your scorecard, I’ll respect it, though, 117-111 (for me) is too wide. One may wonder why I’m not that up in arms with 117-111 for Castaño, as I am 117-111 for Charlo❓ it is because although I had a draw, I expect to see a wider score consensus for the fighter who showcased superiority on the technical side, which tends to yield bigger scoring.
WILL WE GET THE REMATCH? OR WILL OTHER PLANS RISE TO THE FOREFRONT?
JON UDDIN – If part two doesn’t happen where do both men go from here? As bad as fans may want it, I can’t see someone like fellow stablemate Errol Spence Jr. stepping in against his buddy Jermell, so why would Jermell direct his attention at anything but a second go at being Undisputed? As for Castaño, if he doesn’t get another crack at it, rising Australian Super-Welterweight 🇦🇺Tim Tszyu called him out on Twitter post fight which in all honesty is very intriguing.
TRE BERRY III – For starters, I hope to see them rematch, especially with the incentive there, and idea of unifying all of the belts together. Someone like Castaño and his team is relatively easy to negotiate with, so it will come down to Charlo’s team, management, and the particulars.
Reading Jermell’s comments lately, he appears open to doing the rematch, but the question will be – will it come immediately? or two fights down the line, assuming that both hold their positions in the division? Now IF they will go in a different direction, things could get interesting.
Son of legend, and Aussie rising contender 🇦🇺Tim Tszyu has been adamant about jumping the gun, and testing himself against the big time, and though he hasn’t been overly boisterous to get his chance, he has put it out there on numerous occasions that he would like to fight Jermell sooner than later, taking advantage of the position he finds himself.
Interestingly enough, Tszyu is actually Brian Castaño’s mandatory challenger for his title, so be it as it may, Tim has put himself in prime position for one of those fights, and if I had to guess, one of those would come next year in 2022. As far as Charlo’s mandatory, it would be Erickson Lubin, who you may remember that Charlo starched in the first round with a nearly impossible shot to land, that he snuck in.
Lubin has rebounded well from the loss, and has emerged as a much better fighter, one who could contend with anybody in the division at this point. Given his back to back impressive wins over 🇩🇴Jeison Rosario, and Terrell Gausha, he is back in line for his opportunity at a second crack at it. Hypothetically if that rematch DOES result, then if Lubin doesn’t let the ghosts of the first fight haunt him, we could see a very, very different fight this time around…one that can be viewed as a pick-em fight for either man to win.
THE ONGOING P4P DEBATE AND WHETHER CHARLO, OR CASTAÑO SHOULD RECEIVE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR PLACEMENT
JON UDDIN – This was a good scrap, but in the end did either fighter look like P4P material in your eyes? Before the fight there are some that had Charlo inside their top 10 and many that felt he most definitely would deserve a spot in all P4P lists should he go home with all four belts.
It doesn’t take away from their strength as fighters but neither Charlo or Castaño showed me enough to enter my P4P 10 even if they had gotten the nod Saturday night. Where do you stand on that and is being Undisputed enough to grant a fighter automatic placement?
TRE BERRY III – I don’t feel like becoming Undisputed World Champion should get you an automatic placement on the P4P list…but I DO feel that it’s not a good look when one is omitted from the mix – they fight to be that guy (or girl).
A few factors should be pondered over, such as strength of the overall division…how dominant and dynamic are you in those wins? have you defeated multiple different styles in your pursuit to the top of your weight class? and are there moments where you rise to the moment, to show more than was needed to get the job done? combining all those factors.
Coming into the fight, I felt that Jermell Charlo was close to joining that mix, as he has shown the inner dog that he wears outside on his sleeve, defeating different opponents, and flooring the gas pedal en route to becoming his current position as the Champion of the division.
I didn’t have him on my P4P list, because he has been lacking the dominant level of wins over his top opposition, and hasn’t been as dynamic as other’s, who have been mainstays on the list, so prior to the bout, I had him #14 on the personal list.
I had Castaño relatively close to my list as well, citing that I believe that he defeated 🇨🇺Erislandy Lara soundly in their bout which was ruled a draw, his victory over 🇫🇷Michel Soro, who is one of the most underrated fighters in ALL of boxing…his shutout performance over 🇧🇷Patrick Teixeira, and him showcasing the deep level of skill throughout all of his outings on a consistent basis, which is paramount in my analysis.
Charlo vs. Castaño I expected to be a razor close fight, one that could either yield a draw, or a close verdict for Jermell Charlo coming into the contest, albeit a draw goes in Charlo’s favor due to his Lineal status. With that in mind, I had an open #9 slot on my P4P list if one of them were to turn it up, and dig deep late to get a little separation in pulling out all the stops, but to me, it didn’t come, and they were in lockstep.
Typically I only reveal a top-15 list, but I do have a personal list that runs about 40-deep. What I will say is that while both imo are P4P level operators, they are not quite on my list – but they’re in the ballpark. I currently have Jermell Charlo as my #15 P4P fighter in the world, and Brian Castaño I have ranked #20 for that distinction. Be it as it may, both now have added incentive to dig even harder in training after the draw, as they are both looking to separate from the rest of the pack of the Super-Welterweight division as…the one.
ROLANDO “ROLLY” ROMERO, WHAT HIS PRESENCE BRINGS TO THE SPORT, AND CAN HE BRING ENTERTAINMENT VALUE?
JON UDDIN – While Nelson Vasquez received heat as a judge, 25 year old Lightweight 🇺🇸Rolly Romero had venom shot his way by the San Antonio crowd and didn’t get much love from fans on social media. Romero’s style in the ring is unpleasing to the fans eye and his personality and demeanor don’t help. It appears he may just run with the villain role as he was quick to state he has 🇺🇸Gervonta Davis in his sights. While it may seem ridiculous and unrealistic to many, what better way for Tank to finally play the protagonist role for a change?
TRE BERRY III – Tank being the protagonist in that situation? (laughs) damn, never thought there would be a scenario for that to be the case. I’m going to be honest, but you know me, I tell it how I feel it. I don’t Rolly…at all. There’s not anything about him that I like. I’m not fond of his personality, I don’t like the personal fouling, nor do I like what be brings from a technical aspect to the sport, which is very minimal.
The beauty about the mix we got here, is that we can cover fighters that we don’t like, and it will never seep into our write-ups, because we adhere to unbiased coverage in ALL cases, being able to tell truths, as well as giving fighters their credit that they deserve to get, or calling attention to where they fall short, regardless whether we like them or not.
Personally speaking, there are plenty of fighters today that I’m not fond of, but people would’ve never known until they read this, because I pride myself on giving even critique and coverage, void of political based spin, favoritism towards my favorite fighters, and skewed stances on the particulars. For that, I am proud of that, both for me, and you, to be able to run a tight ship of 📰straight forward news.
Now back to Romero, his 🎚️EQ is very off, so he rubs people the wrong way. Naturally you could cast him in a villain role to expand the star power he thinks he deserves (he’s not there yet), but for me, a good villain in boxing isn’t just someone that puts on the 🎩black hat as the antagonist to the equation, but also one who at the end of the day, whether your fighter wins or loses, you can respect the antagonized fighter, because he went about the process the proper way, thus giving them their respect, while booing them when it’s time to.
Everything about Rolly’s game is rage, rage, rage, so him being out of control results in ridiculous, unwarranted fouls, a lack of understanding of the moment, and a void in integrity in a 🥊🥊boxing sense, and I’m not sure how people can like any of what he brings to the table, unless they are unhinged in the very same way, and gravitate towards him because they can identify with him, and that would be his core fanbase.
He hits hard, but he doesn’t hit as hard as he thinks, as he literally loads up on every shot, as if to prove something. He can only get that power out when he loads up, which is the major difference factor between him, and dynamite punchers such as Naoya Inoue, 🇷🇺Artur Beterbiev, 🥉🇺🇸Deontay Wilder, 🇷🇺Murat Gassiev, 🥈🇰🇿Gennadiy Golovkin, and some others of that ilk, who hits much harder than Rolly does, and can just touch their opponent, and take away their legs, without the need to load up, and change the delivery system.
Now because Romero loads up so much on his punches, he digs into the canvas all the time, and is stubborn to the point he will still fully commit to the punches even when he sees his opponent circle out of range, so it leaves him terribly off balanced – quite frankly, even from an aesthetics point of view, he is very difficult to watch, and to enjoy.
He’s gotten to the place where he is now because he can classify as 💣explosive, with enough power to matter, and speed to carry through his rage volume punching when he sees you hurt. He hasn’t fought any 🧠cerebral, highly technical fighter yet, who will take advantage of Romero’s short comings, and reveal to him what needs to be worked on, whether he pays attention to those lessons, or not. What option will he take going forward❓ I’m not sure, but likely he will get coverage, accurate coverage at that…good or bad.